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Well from your post it looks like BF has already moved in with his mom. Leaving you and the kids alone. And i do agree that your trust may not pay you much.. but it's better than nothing. Move on, and look into services for yourself and the kids, and find a job that pays. There is help for childcare, insurance, etc. I have a friend who put herself through nursing school with the help of social services.
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I feel really sad if Forced-Caregiver is actually in a Forced-To-Go or not position.

To have to seriously consider moving out, taking the kids, leaving a long term partner due to.. what? Him not saying No to his Mom?

Come on MR.ForcedCaregiver - Man UP!!

Mr, are you really willing to LOSE your family to avoid Mom's tantrum?
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BurntCaregiver Aug 2022
Beatty,

I do not feel sorry for Forcedcaregiver in the slightest. She is playing the role of victim and martyr.
This is a person who admits to having a trust fund. So really, she's not in dire straits and facing possible homelessness with her kids if she leaves. She is not dependent on her baby-daddy or his mother or anyone else for that matter because she has a trust fund. That means free money. That means your family is rich as h*ll and going to work to earn a living is optional, because you don't actually have to.
Please, do not be sad for Forcedcaregiver or feel sorry for her. She does not deserve your sadness or pity.
She's not trapped in a situation and dependent. She has a trust fund.
Here's an idea for her. Spend some of it to get a home for herself and her kids.
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That last statement is BS! She is your BF’s responsibility. It’s one thing for you to help, another to give your life over to it. He’d better hire some help FAST. You are not responsible for her: HE IS!!
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Your boyfriend's mother needs to be in a nursing facility but instead they are using you. Is anyone cashing in on her social security benefits? That might be one reason they want her to stay in the house. I experienced something similar years ago and it was a terrible situation. My mom needed to be in a facility but one of my siblings fought it because he wanted to cash in on her SS and credit cards by keeping her in a hospital bed at home much of the time lying in her own urine. It was such a relief when she finally passed away. I was forced to take care of her and I wasn't capable. The thing I regret the most is I should have insisted that she be taken care of in a clean facility like the hospice nurses wanted to do. I suggest be assertive! Don't destroy your life and take away the joy of your kid's life by taking care of someone who is not your responsibility
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It is your boyfriends responsibility to take care of his mother. Don't continue doing this if it is such a burden, let him find someone else. If he would leave you because of this, imaybe you are beter off without him.
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dkiely33 Aug 2022
I think it is reprehensible that he won't put a ring on her finger and make her his wife but he expects this incredibly high level of care for ANOTHER family member from his girlfriend. It's even more baffling to me that she would tolerate this. She's totally being used and can't seem to stop it. I feel really bad for her kids, they're getting the sh*t end of the stick here.
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I am not sure what country you live in - but here in Australia it is illegal to give IV drips unless you are a registered nurse or Doctor. How on earth could you be charged with criminal neglect or abandonment. Personally - I would probably first of all get LEGAL advice on those things. I would also think VERY CAREFULLY about the situation you are in. Sometimes because we are so madly in love with someone we just want to please them - BUT is your boyfriend REALLY CONSIDERING YOU???? Best wishes to you. Love and hugs.
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You are quite susceptible to all manner and kinds of exploitation, allowing yourself to be used by everyone. The answer to your problem is simple. Apply on line and get a job! Dump your boyfriend and his whole family, walk away and don’t ever come back.

Your boyfriend’s mother belongs in a nursing home but that is not your concern. Your goal is self care, gainful employment and a less chaotic life for the three children you bore by a man to whom you are not married. Your children deserve a lot better life than what you have settled for.
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Your life has been overwhelming and you should be proud of yourself for doing such a good job with everything, thus far. Few people would have been willing to do all that you have for as long as you have. You need to make choices that will bring you happiness for your future.

You asked how you should tell your boyfriend. Why don’t you show him what you posted here? Don’t bother with the answers from all the strangers, all that matters is how you feel. Your boyfriend may be so bogged down with his emotions and pure exhaustion that he hasn’t taken the time to consider the impact on you.

Your boyfriend has taken on the responsibility for his mother and you can walk away if you want. No one could blame you if you have had enough.

There are no wrong answers. This is your life and you only have one.
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dkiely33 Aug 2022
The wrong answer is to keep putting up with a situation that is obviously highly toxic to her and her kids. Her BF is using her as an unpaid caregiver.

The strangers here are all giving her similar advice because from her original post she can't seem to see through her own mess. She's being treated like an absolute doormat but also acting like a victim in saying she'll be charged with neglect if she "Abandons" the mother of her BF. That's not true since she is not even related by marriage and is not her legal guardian. This woman is SO caught up in self-pity, being a "people pleaser" and resentment that she seems to have forgotten that she can simply say "NO MORE" and mean it.
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you have got to be kidding - why are you putting up with this situation leave
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BurntCaregiver Aug 2022
Some people enjoy being the victim and playing the martyr.
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Every bit of this responsibility falls on your boyfriend. That is where you need to begin this conversation....with him. You need to tell him that it is a full time job taking care of his three children and you will not continue to take care of his mom. She needs more care than either of you can offer. You don't give much info on her financial situation, but you did say she has a house. If she goes into a nursing home, the house will need to be sold because it is an asset. That is probably why your boyfriend doesn't want her to go to a nursing home. He wants her to stay home and die in place so he can inherit the house.

The muddy part of this situation in my opinion is that you are not married to the father of your children and you don't have a job to support yourself or the three children. If he is the bread winner and supporting all of you, I fear you don't really have a voice. On top of that, if your boyfriends name is on the house you are living in, and your boyfriend inherits the house his mom is in, you're doing all the work and are entitled to none of it.

I could never be that vulnerable to someone. Is there a reason you never married? That piece of paper would give you some claim to assets. Without it you are just working for free while your boyfriend and his mom own everything.

I guess my suggestion is to have a very blunt conversation with your boyfriend. If he is not willing to protect you and the children with good decisions, then you need to get a job and become self sufficient and leave. He will be forced to hire full time care for her or place her in a nursing home. And he will have to pay child support.
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Forcedcaregiver,

IV management required skilled nursing care. Boyfriend's mother needs to be in a nursing home, and his mother was never your responsibility.
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Hello you just let your boyfriend know and his mother you cannot anymore. You don’t need to give them reasons and feel guilty you sacrificed your life there is nothing wrong of wanting to stop being her caregiver. Her son needs to step up to the plate and if you and him go your separate ways then he doesn’t care about your feelings at all.
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Like others… I thought only a professional provider can touch an IV.

I think a cholostomy is only done when a person can’t move their bowels, so that might not be possible.

The nursing home can not officially say you can be charged with neglect if you are not related or under a contract to care for her. Your boyfriend and his family… may could be charged. You are not neglecting her if you call APS to evaluate her situation and if need be they will step in to assure her safety and if necessary charge whoever should be responsible.

If you decide to stay in this situation, if it were me I would request having my name on a Healthcare POA so you can be more involved in the decisions… however, this would probably open yourself up for being charged for neglect if true neglect ever happens.
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BurntCaregiver Aug 2022
You need a nurse to put in an IV line. That is different than injecting a pre-poured dose of medication into an IV port in a home setting. It's actually really simple and easy to do. If a med has to be done at a certain time and there isn't a visiting nurse available, the family has to do it. They get instructed and the medication is pre-measured for them.
No one asked or expected the OP to put in an IV line for her boyfriend's mother.
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I know it’s not inexpensive, but you need to consult an elder attorney/estate planning attorney immediately (while she’s in the nursing home) to strategize how to transition into a long term placement and literally never come home. They can also advise how you can use Medicaid for her placement instead of draining your boyfriends funds.

No way someone who needs 24 hour care including iv should be home unless you have the funds for 24 hour nursing.

Never let her come home!!! Please get your ducks in a row while she’s away - attorney!!!!!!!
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BurntCaregiver Aug 2022
The OP has a trust fund. So clearly money is not a concern.
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You got a lot of great advice. Please make sure you stay strong and refuse to let yourself be used and abused by this family. You need to put your kids first and do what is best for them and for yourself.

Keep us posted. This post is getting a lot of attention because I think we all feel a sense of outrage on your behalf.
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Sounds like she needs nursing home care..personally I would say NO. Talk to the social worker. Sadly if he insists then your choice is do the job or separate from him. It ultimately is his choice. Good Luck.
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Dear Forcedcargiver,

My heart goes out to you and your boyfriend. You both have tried your best and to do what you both believe was the "right" thing. I can see how this whole situation all gradually slipped into play and that neither you nor your boyfriend chose for this to happen. Your question was how to tactfully tell your boyfriend that you cannot take care of his mother any longer. You don't deserve anyone to tell you to get married, get a job and take the kids, that wasn't your question.

I hope by now, you realize that you cannot be charged criminally for neglect. Nursing homes say all kind of crazy things, typically for their own interest. I was once told that I could be turned into Adult Protective if I TOOK my mom home. My mom was a sweetheart who would have been private pay. They liked her and would have been thrilled to take her cash! I brought her home and turned the worker into the director who apologized for the idiot. Your boyfriend's momma was probably a pain in the "you know where" for them and they wanted her out. Now things are different, and YOU need HER out, and it sounds like, from what I'm reading, that boyfriend is also realizing this is not working. So NOW is when the two of you need to unite and stand strong so boyfriend doesn't cave again when momma turns on the waterworks once she finds out she cannot go home. Momma needs to begin grieving her own physical loss and stay at the SNF. She sounds like a nasty lady, but, honestly, to be in her shape at age 65 is a very sad thing. Perhaps the facility social worker can help find a therapist who will come in to begin doing some psychotherapy with her.

In my opinion, going in "loaded for bear" when talking to boyfriend isn't the best approach. If he is your partner in life, you need to work as partners. You need to be honest that you cannot do this, and, yes, you WILL not do this. Then you need to stand your ground. With some people, you just need to be "black and white" not "gray" when you talk. You know what to say, but say it in love. Now, I could be reading this all incorrectly, and perhaps you want out of the relationship, if that is the case, disregard what I said! LOL

Also unless she has unlimited financial resources, she will need to private pay until she meets Medicaid resource threshold and then a lien goes on the house. So since you rent your home from her, you need to be prepared for the ramifications of that. You and boyfriend will have to start making some decisions about that.

Finally, it seems very sad to me to think about the kids resenting their grandmother. Her placement in the SNF can improve this relationship. The kiddos need to live their lives, participate in school activities and have the right to live in a home environment free of this turmoil! Hopefully, once she permanently moves in to the nursing home, the kids can visit regularly, along with you folks. Often kids enjoy visiting nursing homes. I used to take my students to a nearby nursing home, and they loved it. It also taught them very valuable life lessons.

Good luck, best wishes, and please let us all know how things work out!
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Beatty Aug 2022
Brillent answer 🤗
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There are so many responses below I just didn’t read them all so if you have engaged more I missed it. I. Going to take the position that while your boyfriend isn’t helping, exactly, he too was kind of thrown into this. It sounds as though his sister is the one who either didn’t have the backbone or understanding of what she was doing by bringing her mother home and then experiencing it dumped it on your family. Probably easier to do since you live next door? Where does the sister live? Are there other siblings involved and has anyone been appointed POA or medical representative, is someone in charge of communication with doctors or is his mother in charge and her children jumping through hoops to do what she demands rather than what she needs and avoid a confrontation with mom? It sounds to me like no one is really talking to each other and planning, getting on the same page, you are all just avoiding the real problem and making due. For you this has to start with you and your boyfriend and while she is in rehab is the time to get this ball rolling because your right she shouldn’t come home unless she has the money for paid full time home care. So if I were you I would find a time, quickly, when the kids are occupied or asleep to just tell him what’s going on with you and the kids. Tell him his children are resenting their grandmother and you don’t want that to be their memory. Tell him her needs are simply more than you can provide, you have been very uncomfortable being responsible for some of the things you are asked to do and terrified of having her life in your hands. It’s hard enough being responsible for her comfort but her life? You simply can’t take care of two households, three kids and an invalid who doesn’t like you to begin with (I assume he knows this) and it isn’t fair to the kids. Her care prevents them from activities, your attention because you are basically watch ing them not being a part of their lives since moms care is the focus of your attention and last but far from least they don’t get any of his focus and time or “family” time. Tell him you know it’s been hard on him too and now with Mom in rehab seems like the time to talk this out and come up with what you all can and can’t provide so that you are all on the same page while discussing the next step options with her medical team (the nursing home). This time you all need to be realistic about how much better she’s going to get and her real care needs, what you can all safely provide and what you can’t. Then present a united front when Mom is included in these meetings and discussions. You need to support each other, back each other up and know that Mom is probably not going to like it and try to manipulate things her way but you need to stick to your guns. The nursing home/rehab can’t let her go home without the proper care and without her family agreeing to provide that she has a problem if she wants to go home. You can agree to help with lots of things just not actually the hands on care or footing any bills for it, make your line in the sand clear and why, don’t deviate. If anyone gives in, like her daughter last time, they take on the sole responsibility no one should do anything they didn’t agree to or agree to anything because someone else put them in that position. That goes for all three of you and you need to support each other on this throughout.

I kind of mixed things together there, have the discussion with your BF first and then together with his sister so you and BF are on the same page when talking to sister and the three of you know where you stand when having these discussions with Mom and the care team. None of these should start with or include accusatory language, what has happened has happened and you each learned from it so you now know what you really can and can’t do. You all want what is best for mom and what works best for your families so go I to it supporting first your BF and then together his sister not blaming. G luck
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Never take her back when she is in the hospital. Block that one. Send her back to the nursing home, where they have TRAINED staff to take care of her. You are not trained in that level of care. You have to get a backbone. Your bf is not caring for her. He sends for you. I would refuse to care for her when he is with her. He is right there, he can do it. You need to get a backbone or you will cont to be walked on.

You have to get a backbone and say enough is enough. You refuse.
And if bf brings her back, it will be the sole responsibility of him. He will hire all staff to care for her 24/7. Period. Your done.
Were you consulted, or just told you are taking care of her? Here she is. You are responsible for not saying no.
Were you trained on a hoyer lift? You can sheer someone's skin off if you don't know what you are doing, and the person is not situated properly in the harness.

You have to turn an elderly person every 2 hours. There are ways to do it using mult pillows, and proper body placement. Who taught you that? Probably no one. Who taught you what to look for on the skin if his mom starts to develop pressure sores? There are things to watch for, and that must be caught early. The skin can look pink, but underneath it can be dying, and blood pooling. And once they start, they need a nurse to treat. Or else they can get worse very fast. Will your bf blame you when she gets pressure sores? And the probability of her getting them, is very high. I'd say I'm not going to be responsible for giving her pressure sores. That is a very serious complication, and a very real probability given her medical condition.
There is increased risk of uti's, and muscle atrophy, blood clots, and contracture. Do you know signs of a uti, or how to stop a contracture? You are not trained on this level of care. I'd say I'm not going to be responsible for that. It's to much.
The sister and bf can not just deposit her in the home, and let you do everything. Say no more. It requires to much skilled nursing care, which you are not trained in! And the stress of not knowing what you are doing, and the constant care is too much.

If your bf didn't discuss this with you, you have a pretty crappy bf.
And bringing in help 2 times a week is not enough. He goes over and sleeps there. Does he turn her every 2 hours, even at night? Sets an alarm and gets up every 2 hours to turn her in the night? I bet he doesnt wake up at all. Sleeps right thru the night.
Why does he call you over if she needs something? He is right there? That is beyond lazy. And you go! So you are responsible. Stop doing that. So he watches TV, eats, and goes to sleep. And he considers that caring for her. It isnt. That isnt caring for someone. That is just checking from a distance. He is also responsible for letting her get bed sores, and uti's bc if he's not changing her at night, he is responsible for skin scald and break down from letting her sit in soiled briefs for 8hrs or more. He cannot say he is caring for her, if he's not doing those things. He is not caring for her and calls you. Refuse to go over there.
You need to get a backbone. Your bf is using you if he didn't consult you on her care. He isn't even caring for her when he is there, and your allowing that. It can only change if you refuse. Sure he will get mad. HE wants you to have 2 full time jobs. He isn't doing any caring. He's relaxing.
You have to put your foot down. He will be very mad, but who cares. He's not a baby and doesn't get his way. And he will be even sorry-er when you 2 are separated, and he gets visitation and he has to do all her caring, AND has the kids. And yea I'd go there if need be. She needs a level of care you are not skilled in. Good luck.
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Do it honestly. Just as you said it here on this forum. Your boyfriend needs to understand this. Or place her in a home. If she is currently in the hospital you can tell them u cant bring her home. You are not equipped to care for her. A social worker at the hospital can guide you. Your boyfriend has to be onboard with this.

I lost everything caring for my Mom. Job, relationship, freedom etc. Its been 8 yrs now. Im her daughter. In the end, I knew I cannot expect anyone else to committ to her care. I also could not place her in a nursing home. I had the opp to do so. Know your limits. Sounds like you do. If he loves you, he will understand that placing her care with you is really his responsibility. Dont feel guilty at all.
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How can you be charged with neglect, when you are not even married to this guy? The mom is not your responsibility, she is your boyfriend's (and his family's) responsibility.

Why would you want to stay with someone who treats you like a slave?

Get out NOW, or you'll end up stuck there forever.
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NO, NO and NO ! This “boyfriend” of 15-years who you share 3 children with is putting his mother, with her needs
AND attitude, FIRST on his long list of responsibilities. You
and your 3 children are his responsibilities … your welfare
and raising those children should be FIRST on your list! This situation has not been working from the get-go, beginning with your first child and it’s only gone downhill, since you have no legal commitment to each other, beyond raising
these 3 children. Get some legal advice QUICK, since it does
sound like his mother’s health has gone from bad to worse,
along with her attitude! Sorry to say but with 15 years in, considering the current (and probably) future situation, I would cut my losses QUICK…best of luck to you & children🫤
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Forcedcaregiver,

This woman isn’t really related to you beyond being your children ‘s grandmother.

The problems she appear insurmountable with all the other obligations you have.

You are under no obligation to take care of her as your children are your priority. If the hospital tells you that you can be charged with a crime, you respond by not accepting responsibility for her and informing them that they will need to find someone else or an organization or company to take care of her since she is not your relative or relation. You can provide a couple of names - your boyfriend and his sister as the responsible parties.

I would also not respond when your boyfriend asks you to come over to take care of her. He is there. He can do it.

This would be tough love. Surprisingly, this does work. When faced with having to do the work himself the boyfriend will agree to send his mother to a SNF.

My husband didn’t want to deal with his mother. She needed help and fought all the way. When it became evident that my MIL had burned all her bridges,DH, with his cousin, blew up at her and provided a united front that she would have to move to assisted or the police would take her in for a mental evaluation and she would end up in the state mental institution.

She accepted the move but was angry. She blamed DH and her nephew for what was her poor planning. She felt she deserved better, to be closer to family, to have best mother award, etc. when none of us could stand being with her or near her. She was lucky to keep her little dog.

DH had to be helped along to help her. He didn’t pay attention when my sisters and I were going through this (much easier since my parents were very cooperative). One still has to plan ahead. I provided help cleaning her house, finding attorneys, her assisted living, and other info. I asked him to ask certain questions. But I refuse to visit, do anything for her except write an occasional letter to her. She is doing herself in by refusing to move or walk around. So in the letters I tell her to keep it up since it will get her what she wants. It isn’t nice but when I encouraged her to get up, meet the other residents, participate in activities, etc, she refuses.
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Seems you outlined your issues pretty clearly here. Start with letting your boyfriend know that you love him and want to continue a relationship with him. Then, outline all the problems of caring for his mother. Ask him to work with you to find her the help she needs - probably in skilled care facility.
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Tell your boyfriend you can't do it. Point out that you have tried your best, but her needs require more care than you can manage anymore. Just say it and then suggest he call her sister (or any other relatives) to figure out a plan for her. Then step back and let them work it out making it clear that you are not going to be the primary caregiver for them. As for your 15 year relationship with boyfriend, out of kindness to him perhaps you could participate somewhat to help him and the family. Even if they move her to facility care, be willing to go check on her because scary things can happen in facilities if no one is dropping by and staying for a while to observe
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Oh boy! Been there! If I were you? I'd pack myself and my children and get away from the manchild! Hopefully you have family or you have savings to do so. RUN! It's only going to get worse! Rooting for you!
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Wow! Stick to your guns and refuse to take her back. Besides being a dangerous situation for her, you could be held responsible for anything going wrong medically. This whole situation is wrong. Your “boyfriend” needs to man up and protect and respect the family he created. He should not let you be abused by his non appreciative mother.

If his mom wasn’t so nasty to deal with then it would be a more complex situation, but given the circumstances I feel you owe her nothing more than you’ve already given. Trying to help the mother of your children’s father showed that you are a good person, but letting yourself be walked on by this woman and her family does not show your children how to deal with life. You tried, you gave a lot of time and effort and you put up with verbal abuse. You need to focus on your children and their well being. They are only children once. if your boyfriend wants to live with you then he should marry you and support the children he created. I think you’ve let yourself be backed into a corner. You need to do what it takes to get out.
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BurntCaregiver Aug 2022
The OP in a previous post on this thread claimed that it is she who does not want to marry the boyfriend because he is evidently insistant that she take his last name but doesn't want to.
They don't live together. He ives in his mother's house and the OP lives nearby with their kids in a house that the mother also owns.
The OP also admits to having a trust fund. Which means she's flush with money and all she has to do is draw on it to get a new home for herself and kids.
So, it's not like she's really backed into a corner.
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Just say you have something to do and can’t make it.
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dkiely33 Aug 2022
The problem goes WAY deeper than her just saying "NO" once. She has a martyr and victim complex and the inability to say No - that should be obvious.
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Connect with a local social worker and find out what your mother-in-law's (and you and your partner's) options are. In no way is she your sole responsibility, but she is in some ways your partner's responsibility. The social worker can clarify the legal responsibilities, but there is also the factor of the mother/son relationship. It does sound like she needs skilled nursing care in a facility where there are knowledgable professional staff and proper equipment. She is more than one person can handle on their own. Can she afford to hire in-home caregivers come to help you more? Can you get her on Medicaid if she has a low income? The social worker can help with these questions. She may have to sell her house to pay for her medical care. Can you tell your partner that you just don't have the expertise to care for her now that she needs a much higher level of skilled care. Do some advance legwork and try to find a nice place for her near your home so that your partner can visit her often. All the best to you and your family!
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No is a complete sentence. What would boyfriend/partner do if the rolls were reversed and your parent needed 24/7 care?????????

Girl, you are a volunteer, not a victim. Call Adult Protective Services requesting a welfare check with the intent to place her in a nursing facility.

Hell no......................
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dkiely33 Aug 2022
Awesome answer. Even her screenname of "ForcedCaregiver" shows she thinks she is being forced when in reality she is not but playing victim.

Dear ForcedCaregiver, consult with an elder law attorney or free elder services (they do exist) and ask how to transition this woman to a care facility. You cannot be charged with neglect if you're not legally responsible for this woman.

If you let this woman into your home it's going to get even worse. Open your eyes please! Your boyfriend sees you as a free ride: babysitter, caregiver, medical help and he doesn't have to pay a dime while he can just sit back while you stress out. Unbelievable that you would tolerate this for yourself and your children.
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