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I just want to see and sister who has POA can't seem to "put her hands on it". That's just how organized she is. I know that she really doesn't want anyone to see it.
Absolutely. There are generally several "originals" (copies that are signed directly by the person granting the POA) plus many photo copies, because when a POA to goes into effect, most banks want a copy. Many other agencies do, as well. If your sister has a POA for your parent, then all of your siblings should see it and maybe even have a copy of it in case something happens to your sister. Many POAs list an alternative person for backup. I hope she share the copy with you and all of your siblings. Otherwise, things don't look good for family harmony. Take care, Carol
Laceylacey2, I believe that there are some states where the POA document has to be registered somewhere official, but in most states copies are just given to anyone who has a need to know. That should include siblings! But your question is how to get your sister to produce a copy, right?
First, could you obtain this from someone else? Doesn't your parent have a copy, for example?
Second, what third parties do if they are not given a copy is simply refuse to acknowledge it. I can't tell you how many copies I've faxed or mailed before an insurance company or some other vendor would talk to me about my husband's visti. So ... a POA is only useful if you can easily put your hands on it. Your sister isn't going to be able to act as a POA unless she can produce the document. If your siter cannot put her hands on it, point out that that is effectively the same as not having it. So, how is she going to act in your parents best interest if she doesn't have the paperwork proving she is authorized? Suggest that perhaps she can get a copy back from one of the places she has provided it. Was it drawn up by a law office? Perhaps she can get a copy there. Do not let her off the hook. If she is actually POA she has to be able to produce the document.
We were surprised to discover that our aunt, who we knew had been given medical POA by her brother, actually had a full POA drawn up. This gave her the ability to transfer assets. Somehow she had never mentioned that little detail. When my husband filed for guardianship, the POA was produced for the first time. All ended well as everyone agreed to the guardianship and signed off on it, including the aunt.
Thank you so much for your input. I would also like to know since it is my legal right as a sibling to have a copy, how can I obtain a copy of my own? Thanks!
Hi! This is Mallory with more questions. My mom was in a temporary nursing home facility after she had surgery. Now our doctor says he will not discharge her. My husband and I and the doctor tried to explain that we are worried about her and that she probably needs round the clock care. I just talked to her and told her I would be in and she kind of went off on me. She said she will not stay at the nursing home and she will leave without her doctor's ok. She will fire her doctor and get another one who would agree with her. She complained about her pain, her roommate, the doctor, me and the nurses, etc. Can she do that if she is of sound mind. Can she just walked out if someone decides to come and get her? She has been in the nursing home for about 4 months, but the longer she is there, the more determined she is to leave. She is not adjusting at all. I have had a social worker and nurse and relatives talk to her and she refuses to listen. Any ideas?
Thank you, jeannegibbs! I appreciate your input! The situation with my sister is that all those that need to know that she is the POA, already know. The problem is simply that she does not want us to see what she may have given herself the power or authority to do. I now know that to have my own personal copy of the document is my legal right and that she should produce it or let me know where I can go to get a copy. I feel better about approaching her on it because I have a better understanding about it. The last time I spoke to her about it she said she would let me see it, but that I could not leave the room with it. NOT HAPPENIN'!
Mallory, why will the dr not let her leave? My mil lives with us because after a fall the nursing rehab center would not discharge her to live alone. So mil has lived with us almost 2 years, constantly complains that we r holding her hostage, and the newest one is that while we had company over here this past weekend she told everyone she is our POW. I used to try to explain to her why she was living here and I figured since she is still of sound mind I could reason with her, ha ha. Now I just laugh. It is hard for them to come to terms with the fact that physically, mentally or both they r incapable of being alone. Find a way that you are ok with it and be prepared that she may never be ok with it and her anger will seem to be at you but really is just her frustration over the situation.
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I hope she share the copy with you and all of your siblings. Otherwise, things don't look good for family harmony.
Take care,
Carol
First, could you obtain this from someone else? Doesn't your parent have a copy, for example?
Second, what third parties do if they are not given a copy is simply refuse to acknowledge it. I can't tell you how many copies I've faxed or mailed before an insurance company or some other vendor would talk to me about my husband's visti. So ... a POA is only useful if you can easily put your hands on it. Your sister isn't going to be able to act as a POA unless she can produce the document. If your siter cannot put her hands on it, point out that that is effectively the same as not having it. So, how is she going to act in your parents best interest if she doesn't have the paperwork proving she is authorized? Suggest that perhaps she can get a copy back from one of the places she has provided it. Was it drawn up by a law office? Perhaps she can get a copy there. Do not let her off the hook. If she is actually POA she has to be able to produce the document.
Good luck!