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Hi, your question has really bothered me so I did a little research, hospice can cost 6,000 a week if you have no insurance coverage. Does grandma have medicare or medicaid? That should cover the hospice, now the cost of the facility is a difference thing. Medicare won't cover that. This all bothers me because of the secrecy. I am dealing with alot of secrecy in my family and it only cases problems. If the POA is paying for hospice care with no insurance it could cost that much. But the facility is another cost. Good luck.
I fell bad for you because you are dealing with a thief and a liar. Please do like Ed said and don't wait. Family confrontations are always awful, money makes people nuts and morphine over an extended period of time with anybody, but especially the elderly, will turn them into a shadow of themselves which is what the thief and liar want. This is ugly and you can fix it, but like many have said, you're going to need a lawyer and pronto. Call the state's Attorney General. They take a dim view of any abuse of the elderly, physical, emotional or financial. Good luck and keep us posted. What low lifes.
the people that care for her, what are they doing but draining the family and you beleive this is love, 6,ooo a week the aides that feed her, care for her . do not make this amount in three months . i wwould take her home an show her love talk about things, laugh, i was taking care of a 92 year old lady. she spent most of her awaking hrs, asking was i there yet, we drove a round to the beach, i let her feet get wet, we ate what ever she wanted the doctor had told her family and my self that she would pass in 6 months , she lived 8 more years, i was blessed to have known her, her last days was spent in a nuring home, that where she passed, the family was busy, i cried like a baby, and i was only her caregiver i received more joy from being with her than anyone i can think of . think about this. wjohnso
I'd like to share a web site that I created concerning the subject because of my very dep concern about this type of elder abuse. It is www.annaburbage.org . She was abused and my mother who is suffering from dementia has been as well. Abusers don't stop unless they are confronted. But other than attempting to deal with the abuser or suspected abuser or the authorities, you must not risk taking specifics out in public. Yet, how can the public realize that issues as discussed here are happening and are likely wrongful.
Using an alias, call Taylor House to ask about their weekly rates / charges. But stroke them a little with "I've heard you're the best; blah, blah, blah." Also, see if you can schedule a tour of the facilities -- or send someone instead -- to see what you'd actually be paying for. If possible, get it in print. Then confront the FPA about the $6K a week.
There's something fishy going on. And if not, your Mom better be living in the lap of luxury for that kind of money.
Tell the grandson to report the POA and that lounge lizard husband of hers to the authorities before it's too late and the $ is all gone ... and grandma has to move in with him. Hurry.
Which state is your grandma? I live in Wa state. I am i Residential Care provider. I do not admit Residents in hospice but, if they go into hospice during their stay, the charge is way less than what your grandma is paying. Depends on the level of care can be about $6,000-$7,000/mo. Or, maybe you miss understood like Madge said. Gets very expensive because are nurses, social worker involved also, 2 caregivers, 24/7 care, if she is bed bound, she needs to be turn every 2hrs, maybe feeding, etc.
The way it works in our state, when my mom entered the "health care", 90 days are allowed on Medicare, then if she's going to stay all assets are signed over to the place that will be taking care of her. The cost is based on her income and how much money she has including car, life ins, bonds, etc. Medicaid gets all and turns around and pays the place she'll be staying. This is in Ks.
Iowa, Speaking in terms of POA, if they are making the sound decision and there is not another (Secondary Person) listed on the POA to over-ride their decisions, basically you would have to pursue the matter legally if you and other family members do not feel they are holding up to their responsibility.
As for the Care facility, have you contacted them personally just to get information as to how much they charge, what they offer? If you have not, first and foremost, you want to look into this yourself...I am hoping this is the same place you are speaking of, as I am attaching their website: http://www.iowahealthhomecare.org/body.cfm?id=42
My Aunt is 94 and living in an assisted living home, paying 1,000 a month, however, this facility she is at, DOES NOT, have all of the care that the Taylor House offers for care.
Investigate her needs, rather your parents and other Aunts/Uncles will need to do this, as they are her children. We grandchildren, unless caring for them personally, really have NO SAY in the situation at hand unless you have the backbone to stand up for your grandmother =] I wish you all the best, and hope this helped a little.
So this is your son-in-law's grandmother. Is he the only living heir? Are her children deceased? The POA can be a bum off the street if the grandmother trusts them. But as her grandson, he has the right to know how money is being spent. Talk to a lawyer now, I would bet grandma is being taken advantage of. What kind of person can do this. I am so amazed at the things I read on this site. Children who take their parents money, parents who hurt their children over money, children who won't help, horrible parents who cause the children not to help. Getting old certainly can be complicated.
By proceeding, I agree that I understand the following disclosures:
I. How We Work in Washington.
Based on your preferences, we provide you with information about one or more of our contracted senior living providers ("Participating Communities") and provide your Senior Living Care Information to Participating Communities. The Participating Communities may contact you directly regarding their services.
APFM does not endorse or recommend any provider. It is your sole responsibility to select the appropriate care for yourself or your loved one. We work with both you and the Participating Communities in your search. We do not permit our Advisors to have an ownership interest in Participating Communities.
II. How We Are Paid.
We do not charge you any fee – we are paid by the Participating Communities. Some Participating Communities pay us a percentage of the first month's standard rate for the rent and care services you select. We invoice these fees after the senior moves in.
III. When We Tour.
APFM tours certain Participating Communities in Washington (typically more in metropolitan areas than in rural areas.) During the 12 month period prior to December 31, 2017, we toured 86.2% of Participating Communities with capacity for 20 or more residents.
IV. No Obligation or Commitment.
You have no obligation to use or to continue to use our services. Because you pay no fee to us, you will never need to ask for a refund.
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Please contact our Family Feedback Line at (866) 584-7340 or ConsumerFeedback@aplaceformom.com to report any complaint. Consumers have many avenues to address a dispute with any referral service company, including the right to file a complaint with the Attorney General's office at: Consumer Protection Division, 800 5th Avenue, Ste. 2000, Seattle, 98104 or 800-551-4636.
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Please do like Ed said and don't wait. Family confrontations are always awful, money makes people nuts and morphine over an extended period of time with anybody, but especially the elderly, will turn them into a shadow of themselves which is what the thief and liar want.
This is ugly and you can fix it, but like many have said, you're going to need a lawyer and pronto.
Call the state's Attorney General. They take a dim view of any abuse of the elderly, physical, emotional or financial.
Good luck and keep us posted. What low lifes.
lovbob
Using an alias, call Taylor House to ask about their weekly rates / charges. But stroke them a little with "I've heard you're the best; blah, blah, blah." Also, see if you can schedule a tour of the facilities -- or send someone instead -- to see what you'd actually be paying for. If possible, get it in print. Then confront the FPA about the $6K a week.
There's something fishy going on. And if not, your Mom better be living in the lap of luxury for that kind of money.
Good luck my friend, and keep us posted.
-- ED
Tell the grandson to report the POA and that lounge lizard husband of hers to the authorities before it's too late and the $ is all gone ... and grandma has to move in with him. Hurry.
-- ED
Medicaid gets all and turns around and pays the place she'll be staying. This is in Ks.
Speaking in terms of POA, if they are making the sound decision and there is not another (Secondary Person) listed on the POA to over-ride their decisions, basically you would have to pursue the matter legally if you and other family members do not feel they are holding up to their responsibility.
As for the Care facility, have you contacted them personally just to get information as to how much they charge, what they offer? If you have not, first and foremost, you want to look into this yourself...I am hoping this is the same place you are speaking of, as I am attaching their website: http://www.iowahealthhomecare.org/body.cfm?id=42
My Aunt is 94 and living in an assisted living home, paying 1,000 a month, however, this facility she is at, DOES NOT, have all of the care that the Taylor House offers for care.
Investigate her needs, rather your parents and other Aunts/Uncles will need to do this, as they are her children. We grandchildren, unless caring for them personally, really have NO SAY in the situation at hand unless you have the backbone to stand up for your grandmother =] I wish you all the best, and hope this helped a little.
Jan
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